And I remember just feeling what I describe now as an electric shock, like I remember going like, Yes! Like kind of in the same way that people who just saw their favorite team score a goal or whatever, you know, like I was like, Yes, of course. And very, very, like I said, very kind of positive about things.Īnd I just remember one day she walked into the office and looked at me and was like, my cancer markers are down. And she was very positive, super smart, really good at what she does. Myself and my colleague, but we worked together every day, so we had a kind of a closer professional relationship. So, at the time I was working in sales, and I was working closely with somebody who was much, much older than myself or Gina, but also was dealing with cancer treatments. Can you tell us that?ĪMELIE: Yeah, exactly. But it's with somebody else and something else that happened to a colleague of yours that made you resonate with with joy. So that must've been really hard.ĬHAKRABARTI: So, you know what's interesting is that your experience of empathetic joy that led you to call us begins with the story of Gina. But she did pass away, you said.ĬHAKRABARTI: Oh, yeah. And as two people who were quite young and dealing with that sort of thing, it really brought us together.ĬHAKRABARTI: So you really were there for each other in the time of, sounds like both your both mutual, greatest need. But also I was dealing with my own unrelated, but related to cancer decisions for myself. And I stuck by her through a lot of those kind of rounds of ups and downs. And so then what happened after that?ĪMELIE: So she was kind of in and out of treatment eventually for years. And so, of course, my heart went out to her and I reached out again, I believe, over text.ĬHAKRABARTI: Okay. And what brought you together? What allowed for that reconnection?ĪMELIE: So I had seen on, I believe it was Facebook or social media, that she had been diagnosed with leukemia. And I went to a different high school, so we drifted apart a little bit, but loosely stayed in touch and reconnected again in our twenties.ĬHAKRABARTI: Reconnected again. We were in junior high together, which is seventh and eighth grade. When did you first meet?ĪMELIE: So we met as kids. So I'm wondering if you could just start by telling us the story of your friend Gina. And you left us a really beautiful message, and I wanted to share it more broadly with On Point listeners, Amelie. MEGHNA CHAKRABARTI: We put a call out to listeners a few days ago to share stories about empathetic joy with us. ( Transcript: A Listener Shares Her Story Of Sympathetic Joy Author of The War for Kindness: Building Empathy in a Fractured World. Director of the Stanford Social Neuroscience Lab. Jamil Zaki, professor of psychology at Stanford University. Principal Investigator of Emotions, Motivation, Behavior and Relationships at the (EMBeR) Lab. Shelly Gable, professor and chair of psychological brain sciences at the University of California, Santa Barbara. GuestsĮve Ekman, meditation teacher and a contemplative social scientist designing tools to support emotional awareness. Today, On Point: The science of empathetic joy and how we can experience more of it. "And yet, I don’t think they realize how they can apply it in their own lives.” “When you ask people to report on the empathetic experiences that they’ve had, they resonate with other people’s positive feelings just as much as their negative ones, if not more," Jamil Zaki says. Seemingly everywhere.īut can we also learn to share in each other’s joy? This rebroadcast originally aired on June 7, 2022. Facebook Email Friends re-unite with a picnic at Okahu Bay on Octoin Auckland, New Zealand.
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