![]() ![]() Byzantine officers and anyone else with the means wore mail - Frankish mail was apparently the most desirable. Byzantine lamellar was munitions armour, just like Roman segmentata. ![]() People have this bizarre idea that lamellar was somehow better than mail. Anyway, this shows a kind of conservatism from the Emperor at the matter, although he doesn't mention armour (by the way, I have much interest in Byzantine armor of the second half of the fourteenth century to the fall in the mid-fifteenth century) I don't know if the style of byzantine swords were unconsciously influenced by european ones or if it was pure coincidence that both reached very similar models in the subject. In Manuel Paleologus's voyage to Europe, he claimed that Europeans "copied" the style of byzantine swords. Why are you so sure? I agree that certain 1330-1360's models could actually achieve similar levels of protection, but I see no logical explanation that can attest that they are superior.ĭoes the cultural factor can explain, for example, why people like the Ottomans and Byzantines did not adopt the full plate harness? I mean, in the fifteenth century the Ottomans had expanded considerably in the Balkans, however, those who used full harness were serbian knights who serve as mercenaries or as part of a serbian prince's retinue.Īs for the Byzantines from what we know about art, they seen to have kept the same style of armor until their last frescoes and paintings in fifteenth century. Posted: Mon 30 May, 2016 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Constantine XI's Statue and Late Byzantine Armour “The stream of Time, irresistible, ever moving, carries off and bears away all things that come to birth and plunges them into utter darkness.Nevertheless, the science of History is a great bulwark against this stream of Time in a way it checks this irresistible flood, it holds in a tight grasp whatever it can seize floating on the surface and will not allow it to slip away into the depths of Oblivion." - Anna Comnena Though, through my own experience, I would personally use a full mail hauberk and remove the back plate while leaving on the breast plate, that would allow my back to act as a heat sink and cool my torso instead of it being completely encased. Under a plate harness there are couple of layers of fabric, under or often over Middle eastern armor there was more padding, padding which heated up the body just as a sheath of steel could. It would not be any more troublesome than Muslims wearing heavy padded lamellar or mail, as they did for centuries. Perhaps, though, Knights of Rhodes/Malta used plate armor yet they were in the middle of the Mediterranean.Ĭould a 1495's Gerdarme withstand the harsh Siria-Palestina climate, as King Charles of France was planning in his Crusades? The hot climate could explain why Western Plate was more popular in Serbia, although not so much in Anatolia and South of The Balkans (Epirus and Nicea Empire)? To state it was only surpassed by plate in the 15th century is ludicrous though, as Europeans had coats of plates already in the 1250s which were most probably superior to any form of lamellar construction on Earth. So, we could that Klivanion was only (if ever) surpassed by European Plate Cuirass from 1415-1420's?īut there is little information on it and basically no tests done that I know of. Same for The Klivanion, byzantine lamellar armour: Timothy Dawson Said these lamellar were far superior to Western Maile Armour because of its construction (and Wikipedia says that some Modern testing discovered deflecting properties). Posted: Sun 29 May, 2016 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Constantine XI's Statue and Late Byzantine Armour Could a 1495's Gerdarme withstand the harsh Siria-Palestina climate, as King Charles of France was planning in his Crusades? The hot climate could explain why Western Plate was more popular in Serbia, although not so much in Anatolia and South of The Balkans (Epirus and Nicea/Ottoman Empire)?. So, we could that Klivanion was only (if ever) surpassed by European Plate Cuirass from 1415-1420's? Same for The Klivanion, byzantine lamellar armour: Timothy Dawson said these lamellar were far superior to comtemporary armour (like western Maile) because of its construction (and Wikipedia says that some Modern testing discovered deflecting propertieson it). Still, they seen to have continued in Byzantium until its ultimate Fall. I mean, they dissapeared in many parts of Europe already in 10th. Still, I have some doubts about if it was actually usefull for The byzantines wear so much scale armour as it is seen in 14th art. How acurated the statue's armour is? Seens it was well researched, after all. Posted: Sun 29 May, 2016 6:23 pm Post subject: Constantine XI's Statue and Late Byzantine ArmourĪs some of you might know, today (May 29) was The day when Byzantium has fallen. ![]()
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